Boingboing has some astonishing info: survivors reporting that they heard exposions coming from the 17th Street levee before they broke, and that the Army Corps of Engineers blew the levees to protect more valuable real estate
0:57 Raw transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee Clara Barthelemy: “The 17th street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the city… to keep the French Quarter protected, the ninth ward was sacrificed… people are afraid to speak out… everyone who was near there heard the bombings… they bombed seven times. That’s why they didn’t fix the levees… 20 feet of water. Gators. People dying in water. They let the parishes go, not the city center. Tourist trap was saved over human life. A six year old girl was raped in here.. 9 year old boy killed. A man in the shower beaten. No hot food. No help for elderly.”
…and…
11:22 Now I’m speaking to someone else, another woman, who says some people report having witnessed “bomb sounds,” believe 17th street levee and others were blown up to manage water flow and protect more valuable portions of real estate.
Whoa. I’m still looking for a more reputable source to pick this up, but if it’s true, wow.
Update I mentioned this on a Metafilter thread, and some people who know significantly more than I do about New Orleans weighed in. The response, to paraphrase: “Ummm…no”. :
Deliberately blowing levees is a known tactic in combating floods. There are legions of cases where someone, near a levee about to fail, would go across the river and blow the levee on the other side, causing the river to drop as it flooded over the plains on the far side, thus saving the levee on their side.
However, two factors argue against this being the case this time.
1) It wouldn’t do any good. They weren’t fighting the river. They were fighting a lake connected to the ocean. Breaching levees helps when your dealing with rivers, because there isn’t that much water. When you’re dealing with a lake connected to the ocean, you’re dealing with, for all intents, an infinite source of water. Blowing open a floodwall in the face of a storm surge on Lake Pontchartrain wouldn’t change the lake level at all.
2) When you flood 80% of the city, even if you manage to magically flood the poorest 80%, a lot of well off people are losing their homes too. They’re just not in the city right now, since they could afford to evacuate. Furthermore, look at the damage in places like the CBD and Canal St. If someone thought they’d sacrifice the poor sections to save the rich, they screwed up badly. In fact, one of the richest parts of the city, Old Metairie, was flooded out.
The reason the oldest parts survived — the oldest parts were built on the highest ground, because when they were built, there was no levee system. That’s why the French Quarter stayed mostly dry.
Finally, note that it wasn’t levees, but floodwalls, that failed. Floodwalls are fine until they’re overtopped, then they have a real problem with scour at their base, and they fail rapidly. Part and parcel of a floodwall system is the pumps to keep the backside of the wall dry to prevent this — but enough water over the wall, and you overwhelm the pumps. Given the storm surge, some parts of the wall may have been overtopped by several feet.
I’m not surprised that these walls failed. I’m also not surprised that it was the lowest floodwalls, the ones on the canals, that failed, and that the failures seem to all be on the side closest to the center of the storm. The stronger walls on the lakefront itself held, as did the river walls. But a wall is only as strong as the weakest panel, and in this case, the weakest panels were on the 17th Street and Industrial canals.
posted by eriko at 5:42 PM PST on September 7 [!]
Update 2: The Army Corps of Engineers may not have blown up the levees, but the hurricane was caused by the Yakuza (using Soviet technology) to get rich on the futures market and to get revenge for Hiroshima! Of course!
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It seems reasonable that Bush would want the catastrophy in order to extend civilian control by the military via FEMA, and to give more money to the Halliburtons. It’s obvious that no governmental agency was actually trying to save the civilians, they were pawns in another 9-11 type scenario.
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Evidence of Explosives Found at Levee Break
Hal Turner / TurnerShow.com
NEW ORLEANS (September 9, 2005) — Divers inspecting the ruptured levee walls surrounding New Orleans found something that piqued their interest: Burn marks on underwater debris chunks from the broken levee wall!
One diver, a member of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, saw the burn marks and knew immediately what caused them. He secreted a small chunk of the cement inside his diving suit and later arranged for it to be sent to trusted military friends at a The US Army Forensic Laboratory at Fort Gillem, Georgia for testing.
According to well placed sources, a military forensic specialist determined the burn marks on the cement chunks did, in fact, come from high-explosives. The source, speaking on condition of anonymity said “We found traces of boron-enhanced fluoronitramino explosives as well as PBXN-111. This would indicate at least two separate types of explosive devices.”
The levee ruptures in New Orleans did not take place during Hurricane Katrina, but rather a day after the hurricane struck. Several residents of New Orleans and many Emergency Workers reported hearing what sounded like large, muffled explosions from the area of the levee, but those were initially discounted as gas explosions from homes with leaking gas lines.
If these allegations prove true, the ruptured levee which flooded New Orleans was a deliberate act of mass destruction perpetrated by someone with access to military-grade UNDERWATER high explosives.
NOTE
Comment by Brendan Merritt 09.16.05 @ 10:42 amHal Turner, a New York based broadcaster, is shock-jock with racist leanings. He is virulently pro-property and anti-police and, as the following list of stories from his Web site indicate, he is a virulent racist. Still, the suggestion about explosive residue at the levee site deserves attention. Turner is a bozo, but he may have stumbled across something that the media needs to investigate further.